In this interview, Karla Brodie and Neal Ghoshal share their passion for Restorative Yoga with their fellow teacher and our Contemporary Yoga administrator, Sandy Farquhar.
It is timely that Restorative Yoga is a key focus for them over the next few months with their offerings of a teaching workshop in Christchurch, and a 75 hour Restorative Teacher Training in Auckland beginning in June.
The effects of the last 12 months continue to impact on so many people in different ways. What better way to mitigate the stress than sharing the serene practice of Restorative Yoga – whether it be through enjoying one of Karla and Neal’s classes as a student, or engaging in their teacher training.
Sandy: Briefly describe Restorative Yoga and how it is distinctive from other yoga approaches?
Neal: So lovely to have the opportunity to share about Restorative Yoga 🙂
In essence, Restorative Yoga is a well-being practice. Of course, all Yoga may be about well-being. Restorative Yoga is distinguished by the conscious use of props such as Yoga bolsters, blankets, blocks and more, to support the physical body.
When we fully support the body, we are creating a space for deep and profound relaxation and rest. At its heart then, Restorative Yoga is about resting. We may use various Restorative Yoga postures to create different physiological and energetic effects - ultimately to meet where and how we are at any given time.
I tend to practice Restorative Yoga in the evening, resting after busy days of teaching or other work.
Karla: Restorative Yoga emerged from the teachings of BKS Iyengar who pioneered the use of props to support the body in Yoga postures, optimising the beneficial effects to body systems, and to promote effective healing from injury, imbalance or illness. Students of Iyengar such as Judith Lasater too have promoted and written extensively on the approach.
Whilst we personally have never studied with BKS Iyengar or much with Judith Lasater, we recognise their influence on our teaching. Primarily it has been Donna Farhi who has and still is the most significant teacher for us, exemplary in her integrity and development of the practice.
Our greatest teachers have also been our students who have over many years helped innovate and refine the postures and practice.
Sandy: Isn’t Restorative Yoga all about lounging about on blankets and falling asleep – how is that yoga?
Neal and Karla: A question at the centre of Yoga is: Who am I? So with Restorative Yoga, one could inquire: Who am I when I am rested? When I am less stressed? When I slow down? Who is it that emerges from a place of deep relaxation? How do I respond to life from this more settled place within me?
For myself, I much prefer the person I am when I am more rested and relaxed. All my interactions with colleagues, friends, family tend to be more responsive. I make wiser choices!
I also see Restorative Yoga (and Yoga in general) as meditation (asana as a movement meditation), an opportunity to be present with ourselves. And … perhaps there is nothing wrong with lounging about on blankets and falling asleep … maybe we all need to do more of that! Our pets are masters of Restorative Yoga!
Sandy: When and why did you begin your own Restorative Yoga journey?
Neal: I still remember my first Restorative Yoga experience - back in 2005. I was on a year-long teacher training and one weekend the teacher took out some bolsters and brought us into a supported bridge shape. After three minutes, I experienced a profound relaxation response - it was like my whole body sighed out and softened. I felt I could have stayed there for hours and it felt beautifully nourishing and enjoyable.
I emerged from the practice convinced that here was a style of Yoga I wanted to investigate fully. So I sought out teachers who were offering Restorative Yoga, and by lucky chance, Karla was teaching at the same Yoga centre.
Karla offered a few of us teachers a mini Restorative training and I was so hooked by this time I researched and created my own mini Restorative training manual for my own use.
Karla: I began learning Yoga from the age of 15, and started a three year Yoga apprenticeship in 1999. Restorative Yoga was part of weekly classes taught at the centre.
One of the first classes I was given as a young teacher was a new Friday night Restorative class. Fairly quickly it became quite popular. From the beginning I was interested in adapting the more traditional postures for individual students to enhance ease and self renewal.
My students were and still are my greatest teachers. Donna was hugely influential too, her approach to Restorative postures enlivened my understanding of essential anatomy of the spine, joints and organs, and how the body could be supported in a more nourishing way.
Sandy: You both credit each other as being significant influences on your Restorative Yoga practice and teaching. Talk a little about how that all began.
Neal: So Karla was offering these highly popular Friday evening Restorative classes at the studio (they’re still going!) and I would travel over from Waiheke just to take in a class and learn. We struck up a friendship which continues to grow and deepen to this day.
I feel it is so vital as a teacher - whether of Yoga or anything else - to remain a student always. I learn from everyone, all students, all teachers.
I am fascinated by the way Karla teaches as she offers Yoga in a truly unique way which is inspiring and educational. Whenever I’m in the room and Karla is teaching, I listen very carefully and take note of her language, her pacing, and above all her innovation of her practice and teaching.
Karla is the most innovative and creative teacher I have ever had the privilege to learn from.
Karla: Neal joined in a short Restorative training I was offering at the Yoga Centre. I literally hand wrote a manual, offering many of the variations of Restorative postures I had been innovating with students.
We struck up a great friendship around our shared love of Restorative practice that organically evolved into us offering residential retreats, and the creation of Contemporary Yoga.
We often jam out Restorative Yoga postures and share our refinements, variations and innovations based on what we have been exploring with our students. Neal has continued to study iRest Yoga Nidra® which I feel adds richness and depth to his knowledge and teaching.
He’s also quite the classical guitar player which is such a wonderful offering to students on our retreats. We are known for our synergistic and supportive co-teaching approach.
Sandy: Each of you bring distinctive talents and perspectives to the practice – talk a little about what you see the other brings to the practice.
Neal: What distinguishes Karla as a teacher is her willingness to be creative in her teaching and the practice.
It’s our job to meet students and practitioners exactly where they are, on any given day and time. To do this requires the skill, experience and willingness to adapt and to support each person’s individual body, mind - the whole person.
Every Restorative posture set-up can be tailored to meet each person. Karla is masterful in this process.
Beyond the creative and technical aspects of Restorative Yoga, I feel what underlies Karla’s approach and teaching is a deep wellspring of compassion and a heartfelt wish to help others. She so often surprises me with the amount of time and energy she will go to help others.
Karla: Neal’s superpower is his deep kindness. There’s a way that Neal holds space in his classes and on training that is very heartfelt and meaningful.
He weaves in poetry and language that is insightful and grounded in an understanding of the tradition and a teaching approach that is sound, welcoming and easeful.
Sandy: You’ve received each other’s teaching of Restorative Yoga – describe a typical experience.
Neal: Karla’s classes are an invitation to settle into a deep rest. It feels such a relief to be in one of her classes. An hour and a half of finding blankets and bolsters to create beautiful nests for ourselves.
While I have mentioned that Restorative Yoga is a quiet, perhaps meditative practice, I often feel in Karla’s classes that I am so well supported by the props and the setup that I am meditated, rather than meditating.
In Karla’s classes, people are so beautifully set-up and supported that they may stay in one shape for the whole class: resting, breathing, being. They may choose to stay in that shape even as other Restorative shapes are offered as possibilities. So people are very much encouraged to listen and practice to their own needs and wishes.
At her centre in Remuera, people may be treated to the sound of singing crystal bowls, to Karla chanting Yoga Sutras, or to simply resting in the silence and in the practice. I know of students who have been going to Karla’s Restorative classes for decades - it is a guaranteed whole body reset - a delightful and wonderful way to start their weekend.
Karla: A clear and thoughtful plan, seeding presence and being-ness, and intention. A pacing down to the quiet delight of resting with the grounding, and in itself restoring tone of Neal’s voice.
Sandy: You have three words to describe each other – what are they?
Neal: Creative, Visionary, Community
Karla: Aroha, Kindness, Arboreal
Sandy: Why is Restorative Yoga so important in the world right now?
Neal: Restorative Yoga is in some way a more “advanced” practice (although I dislike the word advanced as it has a hierarchical connotation). What I mean is that the practice is about slowing down, resting, being.
Our culture seems to be built on how productive we can be, how much we can achieve and keep on achieving. It can feel as if nothing is ever enough. We can even observe this within the Yoga community itself. As a teacher I often witness the striving for a bigger practice, a more “advanced” practice, the strain to push the body towards more extreme positions, and students over-riding the pain signals which come with such a practice. I’ve been there myself - in the first few years of my Yoga I pushed my body into postures I saw in books (which had titles such as ‘Learn Yoga In A Weekend’), demonstrated by people with an alarming degree of flexibility.
Whilst our culture promotes a never ending amount of doing, Restorative Yoga is the radical, counter-cultural experience of simply being. Yes - there is the effort required to turn up for the practice, to engage in practice, but essentially it is a process of surrendering, an active letting go, of yielding. It’s a brilliant antidote to our modern way of living.
Karla: Restorative practice may support a really good night’s sleep.
Sandy: You run Restorative Workshops for teachers throughout New Zealand, and also you offer a major 75 hour Restorative Teacher Training most years. Talk a little about some of the key learnings that students will take away from these courses.
Neal and Karla: On shorter courses we are planting seeds … questions and ideas about what is Restorative Yoga. We also share many of the setups for the foundational Restorative Yoga postures - people really get to experience the practice.
On in-depth trainings we have ample time to explore and experience a whole range of postures and many variations. We learn and grow the skills to be creative with the practice and see how we can support all different types of people, body types, conditions etc. I love the longer trainings as there is time to share the practice, without any need to rush to fit things in. Students also have opportunities to teach and share what they learnt with others - mini teaching practicums to grow their confidence in offering Restorative Yoga.
It really is our complete passion and intention that we unreservedly share our collective knowledge for the benefit of all.
Sandy: Share either a poignant or a funny experience that in some way epitomises each other’s Restorative Yoga practice.
Neal: Ahh - there have been so many. I completely love the moments towards the end of a Restorative Yoga Retreat, after a whole weekend, just observing people’s softened faces, the smiles, a kind of lightness in their being, after what has really only been a couple of days of conscious resting.
I am also deeply moved when Restorative Yoga practice allows for people to share a kind of beautiful vulnerability, and for them to see a truth about themselves or their lives, and possibly a movement towards creating more ease and balance for themselves. So rewarding.
I am truly blessed, privileged and grateful to find myself immersed in this mahi of Restorative Yoga teaching.
Karla: There’s often long moments in classes where everyone and everything feels completely still, a resonant stillness. I find a deep ease here.
There’s such a potency and power to sentient beings standing, dancing, singing, meditating and resting together.
Restorative practice to me is a being practice. One where all we have to do is be.
I’m very grateful to be sharing this practice and to have friends, colleagues and students to be a part of its evolution here in Aotearoa.